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Post by fullerene on Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:04 am

What a program! I think you guys would love it!
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Post by WAR RANDLETON on Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:05 am

Very interesting, fullerene!

I have not done their formal workouts before, but I have already mastered the burpee.
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Post by fullerene on Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:06 am

That's a great start. Burpees are really hard. Actually, all of it is really hard.
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Post by fullerene_pal on Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:31 am

Can you do all of the workouts?
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Re: I just joined Crossfit! AMA

Post by fullerene on Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:36 am

Well, not exactly.

I went through the orientation and they told me I was still not doing some of the movements correctly, but I can try to do what I can in the Workouts of the Day (WODs).

I tried a few of them, but I haven't been able to do any of them all the way yet. They said that that is normal and to keep trying. They said they like it that at least I'm trying!
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Post by fullerene on Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:36 am

It really helps to have support like that!
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Post by SoccerGirl2000 on Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:59 am

Are there many girls there?
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Post by fullerene on Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:44 pm

It's about 50/50 male and female. It seems like most classes have about 5-10 people going through at a time.
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Re: I just joined Crossfit! AMA

Post by fullerene on Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:46 pm

I prefer working out with the women since many of them are attractive and there seems to be a policy of being friendly towards newcomers, even for attractive females who would otherwise ignore me.


Plus they use closer to the weights I'm practicing with than the guys do.
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Post by WAR RANDLETON on Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:47 pm

SoccerGirl2000 wrote:Are there many girls there?
There are girls who post here?
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Re: I just joined Crossfit! AMA

Post by fullerene on Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:47 pm

You betcha, WR!

This forum has a little bit of everything!
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Re: I just joined Crossfit! AMA

Post by fullerene on Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:48 pm

*including posters like you
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Re: I just joined Crossfit! AMA

Post by Saint Brute on Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:01 pm

I have a negative view towards Crossfit.

Marketing itself as the ideal training system for everyone from housewives to special forces operators, Crossfit makes many claims, some of which are fairly difficult to believe. While Crossfit may be better than some other programs, being better than something that is terrible does not make for elite athletes or superior programming. To proceed further, we need to examine the claims that Crossfit makes. From the Crossfit FAQ:
Here's some insight from Greg Glassman, founder of Crossfit, on the intent of CrossFit:

"CrossFit is in large part derived from several simple observations garnered through hanging out with athletes for thirty years and willingness, if not eagerness, to experiment coupled with a total disregard for conventional wisdom.
Let me share some of the more formative of these observations:
  • Gymnasts learn new sports faster than other athletes.
    Olympic lifters can apply more useful power to more activities than other athletes.
    Powerlifters are stronger than other athletes.
    Sprinters can match the cardiovascular performance of endurance athletes even at extended efforts.
    Endurance athletes are woefully lacking in total physical capacity.
    With high carb diets you either get fat or weak.
    Bodybuilders can't punch, jump, run, or throw like athletes can.
    Segmenting training efforts delivers a segmented capacity.
    Optimizing physical capacity requires training at unsustainable intensities.
    The world's most successful athletes and coaches rely on exercise science the way deer hunters rely on the accordion.


Point-by-point analysis:
Completely unsupported. And given Glassman's lack of real-world coaching experience, other than as a high school gymnastics instructor, he is not all that familiar with athletes. The ones who do best at crossfit have been neither gymnasts nor crossfitters. Some have been wrestlers, other strongman competitors.
What is useful power? While, like many athletes and coaches, I use the Olympic lifts in training, what is useless power? This term is as vague and trendy-sounding as functional strength. Power production is highest in track and field heavy events.
Well, given that powerlifters train exclusively for strength, this would make a certain amount of sense. Sort of like swimmers being better swimmers than other athletes.
I would refute this, but there is really very little point. If this were the case, sprinters would be winning marathons. And ultra-runs. This is why running no more than 13 miles in training allows you to complete the Badwater. Oh, wait.
What is total physical capacity? And specialists always make sacrifices, including in other areas of physical performance, to achieve dominance in their sport. This is like pointing out that powerlifters suck at marathons. There is a reason for this: specialization wins. Even great all-around athletes such as gold medal winners in the decathlon do not compare to their counterparts within the specific disciplines.
Unfortunately this is not the case. So many instances of actual athletes successfully using a high carb diet are present that I am not even going to bother linking to them. Numerous peer-reviewed studies, longitudinal studies of athletic programs, etc. Pointless.
No real argument here. But bodybuilding is all about training for appearance, not sport performance, so who cares? I do not post that runway models cannot win the high jump.
As this baffles me, Joel has taken a stab at deciphering it. Basically, if you train to be good at something, other things will suffer. Not too many powerlifters win marathons, or vice versa. This is fairly obvious, and specialization is how you get good at something.
No training intensity is sustainable. Otherwise there is no intensity.
This would not be worth replying to, but since it is my field, I will. The Soviet Institute for Physical Culture supported the greatest competitive teams in the world. Exercise science has come a long way in the US since the days of the Harvard Fatigue Lab. We all should be familiar with what has been shown with respect to injury, power production and lactate threshold, just to name a few. All of which are a product of exercise science. I will speculate that Glassman's biggest gripe with exercise science is twofold. 1. It disagrees with pretty much everything he says and 2. It has produced superior athletes.

More from the FAQ:
"Gaining Size: Here is a hierarchy of training for mass from greater to lesser efficacy:
Bodybuilding on steroids
CrossFitting on steroids
CrossFitting without steroids
Bodybuilding without steroids

The bodybuilding model is designed around, requires, steroids for significant hypertrophy."
Oddly enough, many bodybuilders do quite well without steroids. And they did for generations before the invention of AAS. So have numerous other athletes all of whom are bigger and stronger than crossfitters. So comments such as "Natural bodybuilders (the natural ones that are not on steroids) never approach the mass that our athletes do. They don't come close." are just plain false.

What Crossfit Actually Does

Crossfit combines a variety of barbell exercise techniques, gymnastics rings, bodyweight exercises and a few other training tools into a random array of, well, you cannot call it programming because it is random. While it does eliminate boredom, it also makes it difficult to maintain and track progress. And there is a name for combining cardiovascular exercise, conditioning drills and strength training: Cross training. This is not something new, athletes have been doing this since the Olympics of ancient Greece. Even the term metabolic conditioning is not unique to Crossfit. Crossfit has developed some unique exercises, such as the medicine ball clean and sumo deadlift high pull, neither of which is particularly useful, but otherwise nearly everything done by Crossfit can be seen in other programs that have more structure and focus. What Crossfit does, in addition to exceptional self-promotion, is provide a training atmosphere with a strong sense of community and a focus on improvement.

The problems with Crossfit can be expressed in several categories: False claims, bad technique/programming, injury potential and character assassination of those outside the cult. Let us first examine the multiple false claims made by Crossfit:

False Claims

Like many groups, including the HIT'ers of the 'previous training generation,' they have changed the accepted definition of something (fitness) to suit themselves, and then declared themselves the 'fittest athletes on earth'. (moving the goal posts). When there is an acceptable standard for this, and you can compare Crossfitters to athletes, then this claim may be supported. until then, it simply remains an assertion. False claims about Crossfit being better able to promote muscle growth than conventional bodybuilding, despite the lack of proof, or even one documented case, of this occurring. Yes, this was discussed above, but since I am lumping all false claims in here, it gets mentioned again.

False claims that doing just the WOD could take someone from a 250 deadlift to a 500-750 deadlift in two years, despite only pulling max deads four times a year (never happened, this from an interview with Greg Glassman). This is followed by the claim that if someone call pull a 500lbs. deadlift at heart rate x, then they should be capable of pulling 750 when rested (never happened, either) (yes, yet another case of bro-science) Link.

Glassman's insistence that he can out perform most crossfitters despite his refusal to do this. And, of course, the fact that no one has ever seen him do much of anything, and his physique leaves something to be desired. Yes, this is an ad hominem attack, and less than professional, but given Greg's long history of engaging in the same, he certainly deserves it in return. (see below) If you are going to make a claim, you better be able to back it up. I never tell anyone I am able to out run them, for the obvious reason.

"Our warm-up is your workout!" and other false claims. Can many crossfitters do things I cannot? Of course, but how many would snap like a twig under a decent good morning? However, I am not all over the freakin' net talking about how my training program is superior. When I talk about it, it is because I am looking to improve it. Claims that crossfit "is proven by competition" yet this is born out exactly no where. Except, of course, in crossfit competitions. So when crossfitters start beating other athletes at actual sports, not just out-performing themselves at their own strength and conditioning program, then they will have something to brag about. In the real world of athletics, a S&C program is part of what gets you ready for a real sport, yet athletes around the world improve in this area every day. It is just not considered a big deal. Claims that "doing Crossfit WODs will make you competent in almost any real-world activity," yet at the Crossfit games, many CF'ers failed at swims, and some even failed at a softball throw. Not going to bother to link to the results, fairly well documented across the net
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Re: I just joined Crossfit! AMA

Post by fullerene on Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:27 am

^sounds like a guy who couldn't do a double-under
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Re: I just joined Crossfit! AMA

Post by fullerene on Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:27 am

I can't do them either, but you don't see me writing long, hurtful blog posts like that.
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Post by fullerene_pal on Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:48 am

Did you work out today already or is that done in the evenings?
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Re: I just joined Crossfit! AMA

Post by fullerene on Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:49 am

Interesting that you should ask, fullerene_pal. They have classes in the morning and in the evening. Today I went to a morning class so I've already gotten my WOD in.
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Post by fullerene_pal on Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:50 am

Wow, you must be super motivated!

How did it go?
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Re: I just joined Crossfit! AMA

Post by fullerene on Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:55 am

Thanks pirat

But today's workout didn't go too well. I thought I was doing OK but Karen was coaching the morning class and she got mad at me. She kept telling me to cut the reps in half so that I could finish, but I really wanted to do the whole thing. At the end of the class I was the only one still trying to finish for several minutes and I kept getting mixed signals. Coach Karen was telling me, "It is taking too long, I told you to just do half of those!" but everybody else was shouting things like, "Come on, keep going!" as they were stretching out and putting the equipment away. So I tried to keep going for a while and then she got really mad and told me the WOD didn't work when I spent so much time trying to get one part of it done. She told me never to do that again.
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Post by fullerene on Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:57 am

She is kind of intimidating, too, because she has a really strict personality and voice and she is really strong. I wasn't sure how far she was going to take her chastisement, but I was glad I knew some jiu jitsu in case I had to defend myself. In jiu jitsu you can defeat a stronger and more aggressive opponent by using technique and leverage.
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Post by WAR RANDLETON on Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:10 am

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Re: I just joined Crossfit! AMA

Post by fullerene on Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:12 am

You and your wrestling pictures, WR! lol!

No, Coach Karen doesn't look like that. Well, the expression on her face looked like that but she is more petite, just super-strong and strict.
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Re: I just joined Crossfit! AMA

Post by fedor4eva on Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:27 am

lol some small girl can beea U on the weigts! lol!

u weak bro! lol!
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Re: I just joined Crossfit! AMA

Post by fullerene on Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:55 am

It's nothing I'm ashamed of. Coach Karen has been doing Xfit for years and she's level 1 certified. Some day, years from now, I'm going to be strong and fit, too.
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Post by fullerene on Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:24 pm

Another thing I just thought of was that she was the only one who was still in the gym when I finished who didn't fist bump me when my time expired. That must have meant she was REALLY mad, because the fist bump at the end of the workout is a very important bonding ritual.
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